In this picture at the bottom of the lake – is a four story condo –
that is where we are renting until the end of June – 2021! TOP FLOOR !
We are in the middle with a full view of the lake!
There is a road way among the condo’s to the right – that is where we walk to the beach!
This would be the view only from the first floor condo – we are on the top floor.
Here you can see the map of Ocean Keyes – we are a short walk to the real estate office and once we exit on Ocean side Drive – it is two blocks to the sand and water!
We walk this area over to main street – Duffy main street seafood and many other stores.
The tennis courts and Pickle ball courts!
A short walk for us and right across the way from here is one of six pools!
There are six pools with bathrooms in this development and 780 condo units and town houses!
These are the town homes on the far side of the lake near the Hillside drive entrance.
We would of loved to buy one of these – but first there is a waiting list to buy
and second they were out of our price range!
We actually looked at one – it was well used as a second home and had to be completely redone on the inside
and did not have a view of anything other than some trees and bushes.
Walking – taking pictures – looking – where am I going? LOL
Some of the many condo buildings you walk past on the way to the Hillside Drive gated entrance!
Town homes and our condo in the far end of the lake! Top floor with the wide lanai to the left!
On my way back from the beach – just after you enter the gate from Hillside Drive –
I have named the three white ducks – for my own amusement –
HUEY DEWEY LOUIE!
They are together constantly – where one goes – so do the other two – all across the lake.
I have never seen them up on our end.
This day they were napping by the water
And within twenty feet – was the LONE SWAN!
I think this is a male as the other two will have nothing to do with it!
He too is napping!
The LONE SWAN!
I have decided to name him – for my own amusement – ” DARTH VADER”!
He cruises the lake by himself –
and when he comes near – they scatter away from him.
He is a lonely white swan.
The other two will have nothing to do with him and will chase him away!
Even he will take off and fly away from them!
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The view from the top deck and bar of Snooky’s on the beach – the other Snooky’s is situated on the ICW!
We decided after our attempt to walk the beach –
which was very windy and cold –
to drive back down the Ocean Blvd to Snooky’s!
Sherry and I brought Tammy and the little ones here when they visited.
Sarah and Debby at the table surrounded by heaters!
It was chilly out on the open patio.
We choose this because of the heaters and wanting to be out in the open
for social distancing.
Every other table was empty!
This was the last full day they would be here!
The four days have gone by so quickly.
We packed a lot into it – Mike is a teacher and could not come down.
Maddy is in college with her classes and in the middle of Spring Soccer.
Ella a senior in H.S. Debby – oldest daughter Sarah – youngest of the three – in 8 th. grade
We sat out there on the patio – when I heard Sherry exclaim ‘ THERE HE IS” pointing toward the beach!
She had read a article in the newspaper and seen the interview on TV.
A man who was dressing up as DARTH VADER in Myrtle Beach and walking up and down the beach
entertaining the children – with his Laser –
And he happened to be right here!
Sherry and Ella
Now Ella is a huge – huge Star Wars fan!
For her 16th. birthday as a present – we took her to Florida with us for a week.
And the highlight of that trip was her going to the STAR WARS park.
That was what she wanted to do forever!
DARTH VADER about to walk out on the beach!
So – they both got up – Sherry and Ella – and down the deck they went!
I went up on the top deck so I could get a clear picture of what was going on the beach!
Here Sherry and Ella are nearing DARTH VADER who is Laser fighting with a young boy!
She has Star Wars figurines from her youth – ever since she could walk and talk.
She has seen every movie – over and over again.
Ella and DARTH VADER!
This was one of her highlights of the entire trip to visit us at the beach!
And it was all by chance – we wanted lunch – we selected Snooky’s because it was close
And we knew they had heaters outside!
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Sherry is a Certified Health Coach and a Senior Sales Coordinator for The Juice Plus Company
Which has been in business for almost 50 years!
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Sherry – wife of Papa – for almost 8 years guiding me through my heart attack and four by passes – with health and nutrition – she has given me every day since – I am grateful – and will listen to her every day I have left.
A few blocks North of this beach entrance – a beachfront home was moved a block from the beach!
We had watch them jacking the house up on steel I beams –
cribbing and disconnecting all the electric and plumbing!
A second floor deck had been disconnected and a pool – in ground left there with a cement patio!
A long walkway to the beach with a sitting area at the end.
Two flags on a flag pole still waved in the breeze.
We wondered where it would go and how much this would cost?
The – a block away – lot was cleared – leveled and electric pole put in.
That was when we thought – is it possible it was being moved here?
And then one day last week – the electric went out and back on shortly after –
They – the movers had begun the move at 9:04 AM.
Traffic was blocked off – a lot of police cars and county officials and the moving company
and all of its equipment.
The electric had gone off and back on for them to disconnect the power lines and splice in once again.
The two story house was on the move!
Already crossed over four lanes of Ocean Blvd. moving slowly up the street to make the right hand turn onto Hillside drive.Almost to the corner of Hillside drive.
A lot of people watching – HOW ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE THE TURN?
Almost there!About to make the turn!The turn is made – they would lay down huge wooden pallets for the wheels under the house to travel on the one side of the roadway grass!From the rear – going down Hillside drive to the cleared lot! You can see the tracks in the road of the swing to make the turn.Almost there after hours of slowly moving and repositioning the wooden pallets.Finally in place after almost a full day – well into the afternoon!Once a beachfront house – now a block away on a side street – the journey to this lot completed.
The house was moved – still left on the huge trailers with wheels.
I am thinking they will start soon to put a foundation under it!
I have no idea how much this cost – but the beachfront lot is worth a million or more.
Sherry Sarah Ella Debby – house and outhouse!
A house at the end of the rainbow! LOL!
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After unpacking – the very first thing they wanted to do after riding seven hours – “GO TO THE BEACH”!
They love the sand – the surf and the sound of the water and waves –
LETS WALK TO THE BEACH said Sherry!
So we did – the half mile walk through the neighborhood
To the gate entrance and then cross Hillside drive
Walk another block and cross Ocean Blvd. to the parking lot!
And then – you are standing on the sand – looking out to sea – looking for Dolphins!
Growing up – we would take Debby and her sister Tammy to the beach
Whenever we could for vacation.
Now – whenever they can – they take their families to the Ocean.
They are so excited – finding shells – talking – sticking their toes into the water!We have raised them to respect nature – to be a part of it – they love the outdoors.
Early on – we taught them to respect the environment
To not litter and see the wonders of what is around them.
Walking the sand – listening to the sound – “THE BEACH”!
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It was not planned – but we had weeks and weeks of non stop rain!
So – Sherry made the call – what are you doing to our friends
who now live some 50 miles from us!
Lets get together – you come here for a over night stay –
we will walk the beach if it does not rain!
So – they did – came down and stayed overnight!
Yep – story of our lives now!
We played cards – laughed – and walked.
The rain held off and the Sun came out – but was still cold!
We made the most of it!
Papa and Buck – on the beach – girls were going to walk to Cherry Grove Pier – we would walk back to the condo – pick up the car – and go back and pick them up!
They walked the two miles up to the pier –
we walked the mile back to the condo –
The wind was blowing – but on the beach –
The ladies said the sun kept them warm.
We picked up our car and drove up to the pier –
and got out and met them just as they arrived!
The pier at Cherry Grove – there were surfers in the water!
We walked a short distance up the beach –
Before we decided to get in the car and drive around.
We showed them the canals and cottages.
Stopped at the boat landing – and then returned to the condo!
So ended another great time with friends –
No rain – walking – games and just great fun.
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Our volleyball team after I quit playing softball – Back row – next to me – Steve and in front of him next to Sherry – Elaine. This couple are some of our oldest friends – and we still stay in touch today.
We are blessed in that we have so many dear friends.
Some – for me – go back to childhood.
Sherry – Papa – PJ – and Bob!
We have been friends since first grade – Bob and I.
We played sports together – stayed at one anothers homes.
Ran the streets after dark – drank a few beers together
and still – to this day – meet up and share old memories.
They will stop in on their way back home to N.H. in May.
HUGS TO P.J. and Bob.
Fred and Lynda – Sherry!
Freddie and I go back to 7th. grade
Playing sports together – card games – there were four of us that paled around
Freddie – Bobby and Jon ( deceased)
Lynda and Fred are the oldest couple still together as our friends.
Sherry – Buck – Cindy and Papa.
We have traveled the World together –
Spain – Gibraltar – Morocco – Canada – and numerous states on the East coast and the West coast
and in between.
Always planning new adventures.
Friends as neighbors since 1987!
Papa Jim Sherry Dottie – they have been married 40 years – and I knew them both before that – Jimmy and I played softball together for two teams in the late ’70’s!
Jim – Dottie and I all grew up in the same town in Pa. called Eldred.
Jim -Sherry and I all worked together in Olean N.Y.
It has been a long and rewarding friendship all these years.
When all the kids were young – we would vacation together at the beach.
Carol and Mike John, neighbors for 12 1/2 years in WNY!
We were neighbors and they were Buck and Cindy’s friends.
We lived beside them for 12 1/2 years
We would race our ride mowers up and down the street! LOL
We would play jokes on each other.
It was a great time in our lives and the McBrides and us left the hood
shortly after they left and moved South.
The John’s own a painting corp that travels the USA
painting various structures and energy companies pipe lines.
We will spend a long weekend with them at the lake house in WNY!
The Browns and McBrides also.
Jo Paul Peterson and Sherry
Jo graduated one year behind me
Paul graduated with Sherry from Smethport.
We got to know one another through reunions
and have traveled to their home in Phoenix and them to ours before the pandemic.
We have maintained that friendship for the last ten years or so.
Here we are at the WALL in DC.
Reflections of the soul I call this.
Gerhard and Jennie – our son in laws parents
For the last 14 years or more – we have bonded with his parents.
Always visiting them when we lived in NVA.
They have come down to visit us in North Myrtle Beach.
In laws and friends – FAMILY!
Our little group get together to golf.
There are times we try to bring us all together to golf.
Wish it would happen more often.
But when it does – it is fun and guys vs. gals!
If we are not on our game – they will beat us! LOL
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MORMOR – Swedish for MOTHERS-MOTHER – that has become her name for the three little ones!
Sherry has introduced crafts to all the grand kids –
and to this day – the three older ones still do crafts!
Taylor Bode Cassidy 10 6 10 years old.
All you have to do is say craft and the go right to the table – no fuss!
Busy once again – crafting – she teaches them and now Cassidy helps the other two. She is the one who texts – calls or zooms her MORMOR every day!
Cassidy – who can do any craft by herself – and often sets by herself with her IPAD – listening to instructions and creates pictures and drawings that are much larger than what she sees on the IPAD – drawing freestyle!
The older ones have that same talent – Ella has won awards for her creations.
Taylor – whom loves her alone time – building farms – houses – horses out of LEGO’S!
Bode -the one who is hard to slow down – always on the move – loves his craft time with MORMOR!
She teaches them – one at a time – not only crafts – but life itself!
Here they are after creating their make a shell wish – and MorMor helping to hang those wishes!
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The first thing they wanted to do was walk the beach!
Now – wouldn’t you know it that it got cold and windy the day they arrived!
It was so warm the day before people were sitting on the beach and wading in the water!
So we pressed on and walked down and onto the beach.
The wind was the culprit – making it very cold.
Even Bode has enough even though he had no shoes on!
Cassidy Taylor Bode after he put his shoes back on!
We walked to the next beach entrance and exited!
MorMor Bode Cassidy Taylor Tammy
It was a very short walk – but they got to see just how close we are!
Tammy said the kids were great – she had told them she would not stop and she didn’t making the seven hour drive in a little over six hours and they never complained!
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And that night after the kids went to bed – we relaxed and watched a playoff game
We are all from Western New York
and were huge fans when Buffalo Bills made their four straight Super Bowls!
One of my favorite beers from back in Western New York!
When the day begins with a splash – each day break is different! Ocean Keyes – North Myrtle Beach – SC!
This is the view I saw in the ad for this rental!
This view sold us and we jumped on it right away!
Each morning is different!
Our view of the small lake –
Water fowl flying in and out!
There are six fountains that we can see!
Each at night is lit up!
The moon and fountains light the water !
This never gets old.
I will miss this when we move into our new house.
But – we will have enjoyed it for nine months!
We are social distancing from here – in the condo!
We knew when we moved in October 1st. that we would be mostly alone-
that we would not be able to eat out –
but what we have here is the ability to walk!
Every day – we can walk different routes and still end up at the beach!
One half mile walk brings us to this! If you want information on this place – just contact us here or through my wife’s web site: http://www.sf.juiceplus.com and we will answer.
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The view from our living room through the screened in Lanai – plus you get this same view from the master bedroom!
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Every morning when the sun rises – we get to see this!
This view is what first got my attention when I was looking for a place to rent!
I came across it and right away I called to Sherry –
“How would you like to live here for a while” ?
It took maybe one minute to decide – this is where we will go until we find another place!
We have now been here – at this time of writing – early January – some 13 weeks!
And – expecting our house to be done – the end of June!
But – that view is not all – we can walk to this every day!
The other reason is the walk to the beach –
a little over 1/2 mile and we are standing here.
Although the clouds roll in and out –
very few times have we not been able to walk with rain ruining it!
Plus – we are so close to other trails – nature – we can explore.
We are building a house – in the long run – it was about the same as buying one already built!
In our price range.
And – we will still be close to this – one half hour away!
The area we choose is in N.C. 15 miles away.
There we are close to two other beaches!
Ocean Isle Beach ( which is the address) and Sunset Beach.
Both about 4 and 6 miles away!
Although we will not see this on our walks – we will have a entirely different view.
The skies here are wonderful – different each day – I always notice skies where ever we are!
Just above the fountain – two black dots – the SWANS have returned – they come and go!Looking back toward the beach entrance – and .66 miles away – our rented condo!
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The skies of North Myrtle Beach – where we live-walk!
It is with in mind – I record our lives one day at a time –
hence my blog: livinglifedoingitmyway.blog
In a little over one year – thanks to my wife Sherry –
I now have a following of 362 plus followers!
Of which I only know four of them!
The rest are from all over the USA and the WORLD!
Screen shot on a normal day – I never though this would happen – but I guess projecting good thoughts – happy family life and adventures of two 70 plus year old’s must appeal to people!
Sherry and Papa – (Tom) living our life one day at a time. Each day I am alive is a blessing! I do not take it for granted.
Sherry is the driving force behind my blog –
” YOU HAVE TO WRITE AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE – A PLACE WE CAN FIND – WHEN YOU ARE GONE”
That is the reality and I am okay with it!
I write for family – I write to record for future generations so they know who I was!
Each day I open the site – answer the comments and push on!
I include lots of pictures – they all tell a story.
Each day I start out not knowing what I will write about
I see a picture I have taken – a event we did – or where a day has taken us.
Then – I start – so far I have scheduled a month ahead in stories –
That way – is we are going someplace – all I have to do is share it to face book!
On here – it is automatically scheduled!
My hope and desire is to bring inner peace to those that read this – and to see – when adversity hits home – when death knocks on your door – there is a life beyond and each day is a blessing – one that had it gone the other way – well – I am happy it didn’t – and that is going to be my legacy – living life doing it my way – blog!
Papa – walking the beach – after spending Christmas in NVA!
When we moved 21 years ago – from Western New York –
to Northern Va. my thought was we are now in the South!
We actually picked up another four to six weeks of better weather
on either side of winter!
We liked the area – going into Washington DC on a regular basis.
We purchase three homes while there – two that we actually built.
We had most of our family follow us there.
But – it still got cold and three times –
an accumulation of snow greater than in all the 50 years we lived in the snow belt!
You can change your looks – but mother nature does what it wants to do!Although I am not going into the water – 2 days before New Years eve – people in the water on North Myrtle Beach!
Now – we are calling this home until our home we are building if finished
some time in the next 4 to 6 months!
The first thing we did the next day after returning HOME – was do our walk on the beach!
Home has a different meaning now – and we have become comfortable now here.
Enough that when you have that yearning to go back home
visions of what awaits you run through your mind!
We both have always been drawn to the surf – beach – water and sand.
While dating almost 40 years ago – we spent a week in the outer banks
with my brother and some of his friends.
That is when our bond for the ocean became a fixed state in our minds.
Our Vacations revolved around different trips with our children
to beaches up and down the East coast!
It was a fun time in our early life together – the kids remember and have carried on the tradition of beach vacations!
We found out she also was from NVA and had just bought a condo there!
She gave us information on golf carts – and the sales office.
Seems – property is sold first inside the development
and rarely listed outside to the public!
Looking back toward our condo – it is a straight walk mostly once we get to this street
And then you turn around and look straight
and that is the parking lot and entrance to the beach!
After you leave the street and walk thru the parking lot – pathway to the beach and ocean
Point 66 mile walk and you are standing here
about ready to go to the water!
The beach is very wide even at high tide!
This is looking North.
Looking South toward Myrtle beach some 10 or so miles away.The beach entrance from the parking lotSherry going to touch the water – it was 75 degrees – as warm as the air.
Instead of going back the way we came
We decided to walk South along the beach
and come out on the road that runs into the shopping area!
About here is where we came off the beach
and were able to find shops that had buy one
get the second one half price!
So – we bought two light weight beach chairs
that had straps so we could carry on our backs
to make the walk to the beach easy
and still have arms free to bring whatever we needed!
Once back “home” at the condo
it was time to fix dinner – and have some cocktails on the lanai!
It was by accident that I found this place while searching for a place to live after selling our house!
I came across a picture of the view from the Lanai and we fell in love with it!
This is situated in North Myrtle Beach and we had no thought of coming here!
The plan was to find a home to buy or a lease –
planning on only being here for five months!
But – after searching and searching and visiting numerous homes – condo’s
And the housing market going up every day- it became apparent to us –
that maybe the best way was to find a model and build it our way!
Where we are staying is the building at the very beginning of the small lake – top floor – four stories -middle!
We found that we could build for almost the same price that we would buy –
and not have to do any renovations!
So – we extended our stay here until the end of June!
And hope that our build out of four to six months
would allow us time to enjoy what we have here!
From our condo – is 6/10 of a mile and we are standing on the beach!There are six pools here – a tennis – pickle ball court – a work out gym and a community center!
We walk the road every day past the pool straight to the beach entrance.
Cross two roads and are in the parking lot of Avenue six beach entrance!
Standing on the beach after a 12 minute walk!Early morning view from our Lanai – with views from both the master bedroom and the living room!
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NO IT DOES NOT GET OLD!TWO AND ONE HALF MONTHS – WAKING UP TO THIS!
Every morning – the sunrise from our condo –
it paints a different sky each day.
I watch this as it develops each morning –
Sherry has the same view from our bedroom!
She has almost never seen the sunrise – but now she wakes up to this
and has almost trained herself to wake up to it!
Some days – we walk when we should of just stayed inside! LOL
Those days are mostly when the high winds are around.
One is because of the giant trees here!
They are high above our fourth floor condo!
And branches – even though small – come down!
We do not want to get hit by them!
The wind causing the sand to blow across the beach!You can see that when it is windy – very few people venture forth! The sand is blown across all but wiping out the footprints!
Papa and MorMor – we tried as you can see –
but the wind was so strong –
and the sand was stinging our faces!
We decided not to for go a walk here
and instead walked the sidewalks where it was bearable!
We returned to the condo after getting in our three mile
beach less walk!
There are days such as this that we also do our errands!
Or go to a late lunch early dinner
when no one is around
keeping social distance!
Back at the condo – we await the late show
not on TV but outside
once again in the dark sky
the rising of not the sun
but the full moon!
Both sun rise and moon lit nights from our own private Lanai!
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FULL MOON FROM THE LANAI!All our decorations are in storage – so Sherry put together our own CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS
We did a job that Sherry has been wanting to do – wash the walls of the Lanai down by hand!
The Lanai is screened in and has a vinyl siding – which with storms – gets dirty.
So – with soap and water and some cloths – we cleaned it all down
Took us about two hours –
and then we treated ourselves to BEACH TIME!
A few people were out – being this was the middle of the week. It was in the low to mid 70’s!Looking South on North Myrtle Beach – we decided to walk North – toward the pier two miles away!
This day – we did not spend all the time sitting – but walking for most of it!
We walked to the pier two miles away!
We try to walk three miles a day – and as much of that we can on the beach!
Sherry – while walking – will do her network marketing business with her phone!
This has always been a dream of mine – walking in the sand and surf every day!
Always a view in the sky – dark clouds contrasting with white – and then blue skies – and sunshine!
We had never walked all the way to Cherry Grove – point pier –
And – along the way we collected shells for a church group back home!
Beyond the tall buildings – just visible – is the pier – so you can see just how far we walked!Tidal pools forming behind me as I walked through the surf. The water felt warm – and some pools we had to walk around as they were above our knees!
This day – just to walk was relaxing – cleaning the Lanai –
We have not had a really bad storm since we have been here!
It has rained hard once – the wind was somewhat strong once!
But – there have been storms way out on the Atlantic Ocean –
that have had a impact on the beaches!
You can see the effect of a storm out to Sea!
I have noticed the erosion of the beach –
the gentle slope is now much less
and it seems that the flat part of the beach
now extends further out!
Just the other side of this dune is almost gone – another big storm will most likely wash this away!This pier looks new but is missing a section at the far end. I do not know when this happened.Looking back toward the shorelineLooking out toward the oceanAnd along the side toward the missing section
The beach has changed since we first walked on it!
There are large tidal pools now when the tide goes out
that were not there before!
Maybe when we first walked – that was not the normal?
Where did this come from?Walking the flat beach now – more flat than before!
Storms out to sea – sending the huge waves pounding the shore!
At night and in the predawn
we can hear the surf –
One of the many storm drains from main street – we have seen them dig out with a back hole!Tidal pools now where before there were none!Sherry walking the tidal pools.
Sherry Dottie Jim Buck Cindy Papa – at Wild Wings in Barefoot Landing – to watch the Buffalo Bills football game – they put on special for us TWO TV’S!
It was a long – long time ago that Sherry and I were Bill’s fans!
Back in the late ’80’s to late ’90’s!
But then we moved and for three years we hung on –
But – to watch them we had to travel some 30 miles –
In D.C. traffic to find a sports bar that would show the games!
Sherry and Dottie
‘We eventually adopred the Washington DC team as EVERYTHING
was all about them – newspapers – radio – TV – and people!
Yes – we became fans – but our hearts where still BILL’S fans.
We would cheer for them from a distance.
However – our very close friends are still and have been
BUFFALO BILL’S fans – watching them every Sunday!
Barefoot Landing North Myrtle Beach S.C.
We searched out the area – and found several sports bars
a couple were Bill’s Bars – but I found out they would be packed
and they were small venues –
NO SOCIAL DISTANCING there even if we tried!
Speak no evil – see no evil & hear no evil!
Sherry and I had checked out Wild Wings the week before
and come to find out – THREE of their employees
had graduated in 2016 from the very H.S.
in the place we raised our families –
The McBrides and us –
PORTVILLE N.Y. !
Sherry Dottie Cindy
That was a omen for us and we went with it !
Plus – it was very large inside –
plenty of places to sit and they put two TV’s on with the Bill’s Game!
We did our morning walk on the beach –
then drove the less than twenty minute ride
and arrived about 1/2 hour before game time!
Cindy and Buck
We gave our orders to start out with and settled in!
Papa Jim Buck
We watched the game – the whole game from there!
22 oz. drafts and all!
It never got crowded – for this is a Brown’s bar –
we knew that ahead of time –
but they had a bye week!
Success – the BILL’S MAKE YOU WANT TO SHOUT! OH MY!!!!!